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    Originally posted by The Truth View Post
    What a joke of a league it is when Ipswich get to play Toowoomba 3 times and only have to play each of the north conference teams once each (and win ZERO of them!). Half of Ipswich wins have come against the last placed team putting them in the mix for a playoff birth. All the while one of Cairns, Mackay & Rockhampton will miss the playoffs altogether. After Logan & Townsville these 3 are arguably the best team in the league.
    This gripe sounds like deja vu. Why don't we just go back to a Southern Cross league for the poor cousins. Most can't afford to bring in the number of players required to ever make them competitive with the money teams so this complaint will resurface every year.

    I'm sure there would be enough interest to at least get an open discussion happening about it. I think the Southern Cross was a much better league for involving local players as there were fewer imports whereas now you need to bring in at least three or four to be competitive.

  • #2
    HardenUp

    Originally posted by The Truth View Post
    What a joke of a league it is when Ipswich get to play Toowoomba 3 times and only have to play each of the north conference teams once each (and win ZERO of them!). Half of Ipswich wins have come against the last placed team putting them in the mix for a playoff birth. All the while one of Cairns, Mackay & Rockhampton will miss the playoffs altogether. After Logan & Townsville these 3 are arguably the best team in the league.
    Every team votes for this system and its up for renewal every year at the delegates meeting. Get involved if that arm chair isn't too comforatble.
    That Toowoomba team was picked by you to be top of the South pool and was a Top4 team last year plus they spend at least 3-4 times what Ipswich do.
    But you just sit back and criticise because that's how things get fixed.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      This gripe sounds like deja vu. Why don't we just go back to a Southern Cross league for the poor cousins. Most can't afford to bring in the number of players required to ever make them competitive with the money teams so this complaint will resurface every year.

      I'm sure there would be enough interest to at least get an open discussion happening about it. I think the Southern Cross was a much better league for involving local players as there were fewer imports whereas now you need to bring in at least three or four to be competitive.
      The gripe about not having enough money should be a thing of the past! EVERY team in the league now has two imports or NBL players. The QBL must become a full home and away competition once again. If clubs can't do that then go play SBL like Northside did. If the QBL was to trim some fat from the bottom feeding or 'poor' clubs then the league becomes more competitive week in, week out.

      In its current format the finals system has to be the worst in Australian sport!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Every team votes for this system and its up for renewal every year at the delegates meeting. Get involved if that arm chair isn't too comforatble.
        That Toowoomba team was picked by you to be top of the South pool and was a Top4 team last year plus they spend at least 3-4 times what Ipswich do.
        But you just sit back and criticise because that's how things get fixed.
        The Northern teams vote against it every year but there is only 5 of them against 9 in the south. Simple maths means the north doesn't ever win. That's why the BQ doesn't want to trim the fat: less votes in the south!

        If you can afford imports and NBL players, then you can afford travel... and maybe cut back on paying coaches for starters!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          The gripe about not having enough money should be a thing of the past! EVERY team in the league now has two imports or NBL players. The QBL must become a full home and away competition once again. If clubs can't do that then go play SBL like Northside did. If the QBL was to trim some fat from the bottom feeding or 'poor' clubs then the league becomes more competitive week in, week out.

          In its current format the finals system has to be the worst in Australian sport!
          The difficulty is that the top teams can afford and do bring in more than two imports. They bring in a couple of quality aussie or kiwi players as well. The points system hasn't had any real impact on this balance as you just need to fill up the roster with U18's to build up some points credit.

          The question is should the QBL try and become more elite and only have say the top 8 teams. That way you end up with only eight centres with exposure to this level of basketball. This is the way the NBL went and you can see how that turned out. Couldn't even watch the grand-final decider on free-to-air tv. WNBL also got cut by the ABC.

          I think the discussion needs to focus on how do you build a better competition that is more attractive to the wider population and hence sponsors and stop whinging about the finals format. Yes it isn't the best model but I don't think cutting the number of team is the answer either. The current model obviously upsets the northern teams so what is the alternative.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The difficulty is that the top teams can afford and do bring in more than two imports. They bring in a couple of quality aussie or kiwi players as well. The points system hasn't had any real impact on this balance as you just need to fill up the roster with U18's to build up some points credit.

            The question is should the QBL try and become more elite and only have say the top 8 teams. That way you end up with only eight centres with exposure to this level of basketball. This is the way the NBL went and you can see how that turned out. Couldn't even watch the grand-final decider on free-to-air tv. WNBL also got cut by the ABC.

            I think the discussion needs to focus on how do you build a better competition that is more attractive to the wider population and hence sponsors and stop whinging about the finals format. Yes it isn't the best model but I don't think cutting the number of team is the answer either. The current model obviously upsets the northern teams so what is the alternative.
            Rugby League run a full State competition that covers the whole state and they don't seem to have any issues with running a finals format that rewards how good your team is NOT where your team is from. The finals format is 100% WRONG and needs to be changed to a fair system. EG- If your team finishes 1st - 7th you play finals. Because you deserve to, not because you have a right too.

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            • #7
              CapGun

              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Rugby League run a full State competition that covers the whole state and they don't seem to have any issues with running a finals format that rewards how good your team is NOT where your team is from. The finals format is 100% WRONG and needs to be changed to a fair system. EG- If your team finishes 1st - 7th you play finals. Because you deserve to, not because you have a right too.
              Also have a television deal and supported finically by the National League and federal and state government. Good case study....
              If everyone is playing by the same rules the comp gets levelled out.
              Points system is not perfect but it's easy and free to manage.
              Clubs won't pay for more staff to run league and in case you forget the supposed "best winter league in Australia" SEABL uses a pool system to equalise the fairness and that's run in a state the size of south east Queensland.
              Stop complaining and get involved or do a better job within the system in place until it's voted out it is what we have.
              Yes every year the fourth best Northern Team misses out but I remember a time when the fourth best northern teams would get pumped by the better southern teams so just relax and sit back and golf clap the mighty Caps.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Also have a television deal and supported finically by the National League and federal and state government. Good case study....
                If everyone is playing by the same rules the comp gets levelled out.
                Points system is not perfect but it's easy and free to manage.
                Clubs won't pay for more staff to run league and in case you forget the supposed "best winter league in Australia" SEABL uses a pool system to equalise the fairness and that's run in a state the size of south east Queensland.
                Stop complaining and get involved or do a better job within the system in place until it's voted out it is what we have.
                Yes every year the fourth best Northern Team misses out but I remember a time when the fourth best northern teams would get pumped by the better southern teams so just relax and sit back and golf clap the mighty Caps.
                This would have to be the most pathetic excuse I have ever read on this forum. Let me get this straight, you are implying that Rugby League have a fair finals system because they are supported financially and QBL can't have a fair finals system in place because Queensland Basketball doesn't financially support the clubs.That is rubbish !!

                Keep the pool system the same but reward the top 7 teams in the league with finals. There is no extra cost in doing so and it would be a system that rewards teams on performance NOT Metro City CORRUPTION !!!

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                • #9
                  The pool system was a way of uniting the old Southern Cross and the Super 8 (or whatever it was called at the time). Since then the cash poor teams have been able to build their programs and chase sponsors based on their 'product'.

                  It is time to return to a full state competition where every team plays each other home and away. If that affects some southern teams viability, they can drop to the SBL. Logan did it for a few years. Wizards are doing it now. The league didn't fall apart.

                  Play everyone home and away, get a proper ladder. The finals can then be a top 6 or top 8 structure.

                  A top 6 would see the top 2 teams sit out week 1. Team 3 v team 6. team 4 v Team 5. Losers go home, winners progress.

                  And whilst we are at it......why don't we re-instate the National finals.
                  QBL Winner, Waratah Winner, Big V Winner, SA Winner, WA Winner, SEABL Winner, 2 Wildcards.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    The pool system was a way of uniting the old Southern Cross and the Super 8 (or whatever it was called at the time). Since then the cash poor teams have been able to build their programs and chase sponsors based on their 'product'.

                    It is time to return to a full state competition where every team plays each other home and away. If that affects some southern teams viability, they can drop to the SBL. Logan did it for a few years. Wizards are doing it now. The league didn't fall apart.

                    Play everyone home and away, get a proper ladder. The finals can then be a top 6 or top 8 structure.

                    A top 6 would see the top 2 teams sit out week 1. Team 3 v team 6. team 4 v Team 5. Losers go home, winners progress.

                    And whilst we are at it......why don't we re-instate the National finals.
                    QBL Winner, Waratah Winner, Big V Winner, SA Winner, WA Winner, SEABL Winner, 2 Wildcards.
                    I don't have any problems with a full state home and away competition for those that can afford to put a decent team on the floor but to do so would certainly impact the numbers of teams that will participate in a higher cost competition. This may be a good thing from an elite level of competition point of view but I think there needs to be a proper second tier put in place for those that drop out. Otherwise you end up slowly contracting the sport to just the elite centers. The Southern Cross was a good example of how this could work.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      I don't have any problems with a full state home and away competition for those that can afford to put a decent team on the floor but to do so would certainly impact the numbers of teams that will participate in a higher cost competition. This may be a good thing from an elite level of competition point of view but I think there needs to be a proper second tier put in place for those that drop out. Otherwise you end up slowly contracting the sport to just the elite centers. The Southern Cross was a good example of how this could work.
                      That works in principle, but the Southern Cross was based in the SE Corner. What is for example the burdekin decided they want to enter a team into something...so get directed to the Southern Cross. The cost of travel then isn;t a rationale to have a second tier competition. We are then making the SE stronger through even more opportunity, which they already have in the form of SBL.

                      You say that an 'elite' competition contracts the sport. That is rubbish. The elite NBL has been failing Australia since the mid 90's and yet the number of kids playing the sport has grown and grown.

                      This concept of every child wins a prize is getting out of hand. Go to a full state league and play if you can afford it. The talent will still rise and with less teams the competitiveness increases. At the moment there are too many scrubs playing in the QBL, especially the womens league.

                      There should be one team on the Sunny Coast. One team in north Brisbane. One team in south Brisbane. one team on the GC. One team in the west.

                      if that means a current club misses out, guess what, go play SBL and invest the $ into some decent club development and coaching initiative to rebuild the association.

                      Kids are starting to look past their club and dream of college, NBL and NBA.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        That works in principle, but the Southern Cross was based in the SE Corner. What is for example the burdekin decided they want to enter a team into something...so get directed to the Southern Cross. The cost of travel then isn;t a rationale to have a second tier competition. We are then making the SE stronger through even more opportunity, which they already have in the form of SBL.

                        You say that an 'elite' competition contracts the sport. That is rubbish. The elite NBL has been failing Australia since the mid 90's and yet the number of kids playing the sport has grown and grown.

                        This concept of every child wins a prize is getting out of hand. Go to a full state league and play if you can afford it. The talent will still rise and with less teams the competitiveness increases. At the moment there are too many scrubs playing in the QBL, especially the womens league.

                        There should be one team on the Sunny Coast. One team in north Brisbane. One team in south Brisbane. one team on the GC. One team in the west.

                        if that means a current club misses out, guess what, go play SBL and invest the $ into some decent club development and coaching initiative to rebuild the association.

                        Kids are starting to look past their club and dream of college, NBL and NBA.

                        Are you saying Spartans, SWM and Logan should amalgamate or just SWM and Spartans.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Step back View Post
                          Are you saying Spartans, SWM and Logan should amalgamate or just SWM and Spartans.
                          I guess they're saying either SWM or Logan are in the full home and away comp. Spartans are in seabl so they have nothing to do with it

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I guess they're saying either SWM or Logan are in the full home and away comp. Spartans are in seabl so they have nothing to do with it
                            So you are saying SWM and Logan to merge. You have no idea.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Step back View Post
                              So you are saying SWM and Logan to merge. You have no idea.
                              No I said swm OR logan. It was pretty easy to read. Step back to seabl.

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